Springfield Saint with FDE, OD Green, and Stealth Grey Rattlecan Paint Job The Springfield Saint is another addition to the ever-growing AR-15 market, but is it worth your time and money? For my first AR-15, I have no complaints. The two that are strongest contenders in my research are the 16" Ruger MPR with B5 furniture (Model 8542), or the 16" Saint Victor (STV916556B). Ml m14 1911 the name is as strong as colt fn rem it's a gem try one run good lube lk frog lube gtg Springfield saint the name of quality slickrick midway ga. I've put 500+ rounds through a Saint. H Allen Davis The Saint seriesevery variation in the lineuphas engineering ideas and specific parts incorporated to ramp up these guns to what "we," custom builders, have been incorporating for years now. Most ARs in this size range have a 16-inch barrel. They'll not only end up with a nicer 4150 steel barrel from Ballistic Advantage, but they can drop in whatever BCG and charging handle they want from a number of reputable companies out there. If you dont reload or cast bullets see if you have a friend or neighbor who does and see if he or she does calibers you need. Yes, I know thats a super weird number but go with me here. If it doesnt feed reliability, it can be fixed, improved later. Is free float preferable? It worksso no complaints in that department. My single complaint is the word saint being so huge on the mag well, lol. Years ago, uncle Sam showed me how to shoot first an M1, then the M14, then the AR, but because of the shortage, Ive gone from a .30 to a 223/556, then to a .22 [rimfire]. My HD gun is a featureless M4 like build. I am also fully aware that Springfield Armory is not the only source for good factory AR-15s, and also those at an equitable price point. It eats everything it's fed. The other imports Croatian pistols under an American Sounding name and has donated money to anti 2a organizations through the Illinois Gun Manufacturers association (or a similar lobbying organization). It is accurate,reliable and light. Good article, people need basic firearms. Right now, AR-15 styles of rifles are difficult to come by, because of all the violence in the USA everyone wants the best of the best, to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their homes from this violence. I own the second model Saint with the free float barrel. Id prefer brass over steel any day, but Ill take what I can find at this point. We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared If you can find factory ammo for sale now it is a good deal. My first AR style rifle and I would definitely recommend it to anyone looking for a good overall choice, especially in the under $1k category. The Bravo Company Buttstock is sturdy yet comfortable, the A2-style front sight gives it a vintage look, and the Nickel Boron bolt carrier slides with ease. Type in ( Glock Cascio) and hit enter. I compared the Saint charging handle to the Milspec and it is shorter, so it fits in the shorter channel on the Saint. Springfield Saint Vs. Ruger 556 & Colt. After many hours spent talking with people, reading reviews, and shooting it myself, it seems as though you cant do better for the price. The stock is BCM Gunfighter Mod O, and the trigger guard and grip also are from Bravo Company. Old school if it has a code stamp with Cr on sn it's not true mitlary spec most of not but as far as colt 6920 le god they or as close to real as u ever get only semi and in and hafe different but am saying new saint is a winner in ar class so many made good ars but saints out more bang for the buck then any mafg. The narrative is going to be, ALL Conservatives are crazy conspiracy nuts. Both guns came with a MagPul PMag 30-round magazine, and I believe these are the best of the best when it comes to AR magazines period! Hmm, this must be how Biden is calling for America United to be united. When it comes to putting holes in paper, the Saints trigger is great. I dont like a carbine length gas system on a 16 barrel and the Ruger has that, not sure about the Springfield. The barrel has a right hand twist of 1:8. I would suggest to a first time buyer to NOT by a brand name and pay a lot more but instead find a less known brand and be happy. Thank you! It had a few extras like an adjustable trigger for that price. If I could find nothing but Tulammo or Wolf I would not feel totally unarmed. It does you no good to be sitting on 5,000 rounds of 5.56mm and not have the training on how to use it effectively. It shoots fine, but I would caution anyone buying a Saint that thinks they might ever want to swap parts with a regular Milspec AR-15. When the Saint hit the stores I could not wait to get my hands on I own some Springfield firearms and was excited but because they had not put out such a firearm I decided to wait for a year and see the reviews and until today 2018 February 14th I heard it's still a piece of junk I live here in Nevada where you can shoot before you buy and found it few of the stores do not even allow you to shoot the saint and when I finally did it did exactly what everyone said it jammed every 15 rounds I always see these massive reviews about junk Glocks the junk vp9 and now the junk saint I believe that the people riding these reviews are either being paid by the big companies or have never actually done any real hands on reviews of the Firearms they're talking about going out to the range and shoot in your 10-round magazine does not make it an excellent or superb or reliable firearm so once again do yourself a favor drop a Sig and let me know how it goes. The Saint Edge models start at $1,300. Upon getting it home I found it to be steel case. First saint as a entry level wount be like a Corvette compared to a VW hell this gun has more out in it from spring field then most high end ars have and just as good or better yes from trigger to stock to barrel to 9 in gas system this gun is the cream of the crop I put it up against the biggest boys out there yes dd colt fn ltm Wilson combat etc it's that dam good get a bmc it rapture charger a risa 189 nickel boron bolt carrier and a sweet vortex etc site sling and you ready for wwlll saints or the gun to beleave in quality over 200 years Springfield has won wars from civil war to nam. She has a strong love for spending time outdoors, shooting and learning as much as she can about weapons, ballistics, and marksmanship. As a country we are going in the wrong direction. I knew I didnt want to eat Ramen for a month, but I also wanted a rifle that was going to last and accomplish the necessities. M&P barrel - 1:9 twist. Isn't the Saint more expensive than the AR556? Lots of guns are being sold as every time I went to a local store several customers were filling out the 4473 forms. Thanks for another great article Mr. Cascio. Palmetto State Armory, http://www.psa.com, is still selling AR-15s and they are available and work well, they dont have the name brand of Ruger or Springfield Armory but they are very good. If you want to improve the trigger further and help your accuracy, then check out what we think are the Best Drop-in AR-15 Triggers. Waiting for them to fix. I want fill a gap I have in my long gun capabilities. I bought one and immediately had problems with trigger not resetting then after they sent it back to me it wouldnt extract spent casings so after sending it in again I got it back and had several double fires Its just too bad people didnt buy before now. I know this is not top of the line AR build, but I would like to know what I should be looking to replace for good performance. Both guns have a barrel that is slightly over 16-inches long and have a 1:8 twist, so they can handle some heavy bullet weights. A One-Time Donation (You choose the amount): A $5 Dollar bill, a 5 Euro bill, a few Pre-1965 silver dimes, or a booklet of Forever U.S. postage stamps sent in the mail also works! I am currently looking at the Ruger MPR but am open to suggestions in the price range of $500-$1000. Specifications: Springfield Armory SAINT Victor B5 5.56mm NATO The Springfield Armory SAINT Victor B5 rifle is very similar to most of the previous offerings through the SAINT Victor line of firearms. S&W is close right in there with Ruger and probably has a similar option. Yet, fellow gunners at the range seem to look down on it. Springfield flip up rear and your choice of A2 front post or flip up front sights make the Saint ready to run right out of the box. you a link to reset your password. I just want something thats as close to perfect out of the box as you can get. trigger but made with better fitting and tolerances for a 5 pound Crisp pull. I was going to go to a gun show in the next week or so but have decide not to go. Can a rifle be reliable, accurate, and fiscally reasonable? Please let others know they too can trust SurvivalBlog for the most reliable and practical survival information by voting for SurvivalBlog on topprepperwebsites.com. Absolutely no way I would trust my life to this weapon. 's blog. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. Something I loved about the Saint before I even bought it was the option to customize. Ruger had its share of fudd moments in the past. Its not free-floating, but it is worlds beyond USGI for ergonomics and utility. The Lower receiver is fitted with Magpul MOE grip and the MOE SL collapsible buttstock on the Mil-Spec buffer tube. M-lock freefloat rail, and a really nice trigger. Springfield also fitted an F height front . Took it to the range Sunday. Load dummy rounds occasionally for my wifes 9mm Sig so she will have to respond to that situation. The twist rate of both rifles is also different. Box 303 In Stock. Liked mine so much I bought a second for my son! In my opinion, regardless of who is seated as the next U.S. president, we will see a sharp uptick in violence and an even more severe gun, magazine, and ammunition shortage, all over the country. In late 2016, Springfield joined the competitive and ever-growing market for Americas favorite sporting rifle. There are a lot of good choices in the Ruger price range, so with the Ruger being American made, and they have excellent customer service, I chose the AR 556. The Ruger was matching the Springfield in this respect with this ammo. When the pins backed out it caused it to shoot full auto for the rest of the mag. Welcome to the forum, shame your first post has to be a problem with the Saint. Love it, love it. If do not have supplies set now, its bad tactics to have a list of items you just bought. In the end, a person will usually like one firearm over another, and probably for no solid reason just a personal bias. Look to http://www.gunbroker.com or http://www.armslist.com for expensive but available ammunition. It may help to offer him brass you dont need or lead if hes a caster. The AR is manufactured by the Armalite Co. You seem to be operating under the misunderstanding that AR stands for "assult rifle". Springfield Saint Victor 5.56mm AR-15 Pistol with SBA3 Pistol Stabilizing Brace. I'm new to the AR type guns and have read a bunch on each of these. Im not the kind of guy who likes to fuss about swapping parts and custom builds and all that. Can usually get one for around $600. Notice the all BCM furniture on the rifle, every component is American made. I have my eye out for my first AR. I hopes that helps. However, I took off both rear sights on the guns, and replaced them with a detachable carry hand rear sight. How do define a good AR15? Fixed it means all the issues we (and me very loudly) have identified have been incorporated by Springfield Armory. anything extra and your (Josh Wayner for TTAG) Specs: SIGM400 TREAD by SIG SAUER. You can choose from a dozen or more good entry level ARs though. If you have access to a firing range with guns for rent, I would definitely recommend shooting as many as you can to get a feel for what you like. I added some things to it nothing great. Now the new pins are backing out. It seems well built, and Ive never had a problem with it. I just bought one of these in the pistol versionFriday afternoon. Beautifully shooting rifle, honestly compares with a $1400 Daniel Defense I have. Anyone have an opinion to help me out? I was more than a little surprised at this, I was sure the Springfield would turn out to be a little more accurate because of the great trigger pull. Too many of us gave up the Lord and the Bible. If you want all Magpul furniture, BUIs. Sig Sauer SIGM400 Tread ***** The AR 15 is one of the world's most well known and popular rifles. Our mail forwarding address is: James Wesley, Rawles There are a lot of good choices in the Ruger price range, so with the Ruger being American made, and they have excellent customer service, I chose the AR 556. a good friend of mine is an all-metal gun guy and has a lot of trouble with steel ammo. I have not had any issues personally! (, We noticed that you have previously logged in with your, Check what do you get by creating an account, Bookmark and compare your favorite firearms, You want a quality AR-15 and want to spend under $1000? Storm a coming ,,,. So glad I did because the PMAG-30 that came with the gun felt a little weak as if it was a mag not suitable for retail sale by itself- Just a hunch I thought. I think I might just trash the PMAG that came with the gun. Bravo Company Manufacturing. Another nice touch that gives a tip of the hat to a more tactical . Good article and anyone would be well served to own either one of these weapons. Ruger AR-556 M4-Style Direct Impingment MSR 223/5.56 8502. vs. Palmetto State Armory PA-15 223/5.56 46637. Ruger AR-556 MPR 6. By this time, I assume most preppers already have what they need. She can load her own mags but apparently being her gun boy is why she married me. Why is the S&W 15 off your list ? Get a lower, parts kit, fixed stock, upper you want and featureless grip. The Gun Range in my area use to collect the spent brass on the ground, and sell it to reloaders. Id say anythings better than nothing Mini-14, Kel-Tec SU-16, etc. Ruger MPR or Springfield saint victor So I'm looking to get an AR15 and have come across 2 main guns that I've been considering, the Ruger AR-556 MPR and the Springfield Saint Victor. Life saving equipment. However, for the people who have recently come to this mindset, I would recommend that if you cant get a good one get a mediocre one, if not that, get a used one or a franken-stoner. An 80% polymer lower with a bunch of random, mass produced parts is going to be better than nothing. The Springfields are the only AR-type weapons I have ever owned, though I have fired many. Lower chamber pressure being that its 9 inches instead of 7 inches I guess this is a real improvement for a product value added feature, Standard single stage G.I. People that say this gun is junk crack me up !! Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Mar 25, 2015. No Comments on Springfield Saint vs Ruger AR-556 vs S&W M&P15 Sport II Unboxing the James River Armory M14 WATCH: Idiot Tries to Rob Car Spa with Slide Locked Back by KIMBER PEARCE Leave a Reply In Stock. Ads are what helps us bring you premium content. ST916556BMCA-S. Springfield Armory. I am pretty well known as a huge DIY AR-15 advocate, and also for some of the full-custom projects Ive been either responsible for or associated with. Compare. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. It does shoot just fine though. Thats a huge help! carbine, short barreled rifle (SBR) or pistol, Throwback Thursday: Taurus Judge Range Report, ATI Milsport SGA 410 All the Advantages of an AR in .410, Ruger SR1911 LW Commander The Lightweight .45 ACP, Rifle Hack: Sighting for 100 Yards at a Distance of 25 Yards, Throwback Thursday: All About Bullet Grain.