If both were made by the hand of God in the Garden should we expect that God would not have them be miraculously concieved by His own hands to then become the saviors of the world? She shows us the fruit of the Cross in one who is a mere human being, like us. Kevin Knight does a fine job with the site. Yes, it is true that if Adam had not sinned all would still be alive in the Garden. Mary's Immaculate Conception is a special gift from God preserving her from original sin and concupiscence - the inclination to sin. Not good math, so can it then be trusted with more complicated matters? The importance of the Immaculate Conception for modern times. But before it was to be defined, it needed to be better understood.   Mary is third in the list of those born to barren parents by the grace of God. In order to even begin to dialogue with Protestants, many Catholics will often take on the presupposition that not only must everything be supported by scripture, but that everything must be proved from scripture that explicitly states it. is a principle of organic structure.’ It should not be confused with the degrees of certainty; it simply means that the different truths of faith are ‘organized’ around a center.” In other words, the idea of a hierarchy of truths is that there are certain beliefs around which all other beliefs orbit. As to the OP topic, do you have scriptures I have missed stating the time [era] and manner of Mary’s ‘leaving’? Consequently, whatever Scripture asserts (in the proper sense) is something asserted by the Holy Spirit. And Mary, the “Holy Grail” , Mother of the human Christ. Just the opposite- you’ll find words like ‘unreliable, doubtful, legendary’ … No new scholarship has changed that. All of this makes clear why the Immaculate Conception matters—it protects the true humanity of Jesus. @EJohnE “That’s why Catholic teachings about Mary are more consistent with scripture, even if they aren’t explicitly stated,” No one wants to be caught unaware or just talking the talk and not walking the walk, growing weak and lazy toward the worship and practice of Christ’s truth, way and life when He comes again in Glory. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. This enmity, according to John Paul II, is “a hostility expressly established by God, which has a unique importance, if we consider the problem of the Virgin’s personal holiness. Rev.   It is not just because she was pure and a virgin, but that God had patiently orchestrated it and put the entire process into place so that Mary’s sinlessness and purity was able to finally accomplish what God wanted for the world. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband Not even as to the end of Mary’s life on earth. Without the existence of one man-made tradtition there’s no need for the other. The ark of the Lord remained in Obed-edom 3 months; Mary remained with Elizabeth for 3 months. Compared to the the Trinity, the central mystery of the Christian faith, the Immaculate Conception is lower down on what the Second Vatican Council referred to as the “hierarchy of truths.”, This is illustrated, among other ways, by the fact that the Immaculate Conception was not infallibly defined until 1854. The gift of prophecy is of this description. Thank you for the website info. @EJohnE “you are locked in to the non-scriptural ‘scripture alone’ ” Absolutely not true, as my Philip posts prove. This is why the Church has always seen in Esther a type of Mary. In Protestantism there is no such authority — it’s as if every man was given the keys to the kingdom and is infallible, or they assign that charism to someone else of their own choosing rather than who Christ chose.   .. Back to the OP. Are all the passages of the Bible to be understood according to our modern manner of expression?   Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.c 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. In 2 Samuel 6 David exclaims “How can the ark of the Lord come to me”. Paul often refers to the Old Testament, and yes it existed before 400 AD. He has no more need of an earthly seat; not Jerusalem, not Rome, not Brooklyn, not Worms. One might object that angels have, in fact, interacted with our race, which is true, but that doesn’t make their existence a truth of soteriology. All AFTER Jesus left the earth.  understanding plain language. And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.”   Luke seems to be drawing a parallel between the ark and Mary to show that Christ is the fulfillment of these old testament symbols.   The Church is the temple; Christ is the foundation on which it is built; and his ministers are the Pillars by which, under him, it is adorned and supported. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it. @noprem All of the scriptures you cite describe events in which men were empowered by the Holy Spirit to do something – a created participation in the power of God. It is a day we honor the fact that, from the moment of her conception, Mary was “preserved immune from all stain of original sin.” It is an important aspect of our Catholic faith, and a wonderful opportunity to ponder the role of Mary in our lives and in the life of the Church. “Their offspring- including Mary and Joseph- are born into sin, and subject to death.” Adam and Eve sinned: “Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. 6:9 – How can the Mother / Ark of the Lord come to me? Luke 1 involves Mary, the mother of Jesus. No more Law for Christians, just love and Godly principles. The Immaculate Conception is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that the Virgin Mary has been free of original sin from the moment of her conception. 1 Chron. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm.” Can’t help you there. The concern expressed in the objection is understandable. If you believe- AS THE OP STATES- that Mary was assumed into Heaven in our distant past, then she is not battling with anyone. Revelation 11 & 12: John begins speaking about the ark – was that a reference to the ark of the old covenant (lost for hundreds of years) in Heaven, or the Ark of the New Covenant (Mary who gave birth to Christ’s Humanity)? You shall not have strange gods before me.” Ex 20:2,3 KJV. Add dmohrCatholic: The disobey and pay the stated penalty for their sin: death. And YOU tell me I have a problem? @mblouin  @dmohrCatholic I have to credit the many wonderful apologists who have shown me scripture through the magisterium of the Catholic Church. Loading... Unsubscribe from All … Then you pull Rev 3:12 out and ask why Christ mentions “my god” 4 times and other seemingly “I know better or something you don’t know questions’ just  to goade me into inflating your ego. @noprem  We can never forget it. The gospels mention her as necessary to the subject, as Judas, Caesar, Barnabas and others are mentioned in their places. Rev 11:19, 12:1-17 By preserving Mary from all stain of original sin, God thus redeemed her. All these may offered as reasons why God–and the Church–deemed it important for us to know about the Immaculate Conception. 2:7), and now it is finally seen in heaven. @noprem  @mblouin We have the same parents as him. 1 Chron: “For >God to dwell< within >Mary the Ark<” The last phrase is unscriptural; the first is scriptural only if Jesus is God. 6:16 – John the Baptist / King David leap for joy before Mary / Ark. That single verse all by itself could be used to point out virtually anyone. My country is not my real mother even though I often refer to it as such. An then,  Mary, when “the fullness of time is upon the earth”, to fulfill God’s plan for the salvation of mankind Revelation 2:17 The scripture does not explicitly state that ONLY scripture is necessary for our salvation. Revelation 2:7 Consider the Gospel of John 2:5, the Wedding at Cana. a dwelling for the Mighty One of Jacob.” The words “spurious, legend, story, apocryphal” are used often. **Who, BTW is now in Heaven, disturbed by the false adulation given her. The Immaculate Conception Is About MaryA reader writes: Can you point me in the direction of why the Immaculate Conception is important in regards to salvation? With regard to ‘traditions of men’ – how do you know that Galatians is the word of God?   Not traditions exept per the RCC magisterium, and the “Doctors and Fathers” who lived much later than the ones I use: Peter, Paul, James … Both dogmas directly contradicted by plain statements of my exegesists. At Rev 3:12 Jesus says, according to my NWT, “The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.” “Taken from “Scripture Catholic” … but that’s not part of my theology, nor an obligation for me to read or believe.     Instead, God intends for us to become that masterpiece in light of the Immaculate Conception, in light of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The proof is that Mary came from a line of sinless and divinely conceived children of God. Later exegetes were Paul, Peter, James, Jude, and the Gospel writers.   14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. The implications are clear, but not exact. The first is that somehow Mary was exempt from the “all” men who have sinned.  One must read the entire verse and bible to glean its message not just the bits and pieces. God is omnipotent, and his power is not limited.   “Behold, your mother.” John 19). 490 To become the mother of the Savior, Mary "was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role." It admonishes us to keep our spiritual ears open continually for the convicting and guiding  voice of the Holy Spirit. The religion that rejected his teachings. Romans 5:14 ” Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.” They dedicate their daughter, Mary, to God, keeping her from sin and evil. ALL scripture is inspired, right? Prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.Where there is hatred, let me sow love;where there is injury,pardon;where there is doubt, faith;where there is despair, hope;where there is darkness, light;and where there is sadness, joy.O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;to be understood as to understand;to be loved as to love.For it is in giving that we receive;it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. I take this to mean that Jesus has someone he calls ‘his God’ (four times, here), to whom he defers but who has given Jesus certain privileges. Mary was planned from the Fall of man as were Isaac and John to redeem the world IN CHRIST. I trust and use mine because the stand up to scriptural testing, and their fruitage is Christian and Godly, not from “the traditions of men.” The scriptures are all unified and point to a central figure in Christ. –“By preserving Mary from all stain of original sin, God thus redeemed her. Peace of Christ and the Holy Spirit be with you. The circumference of the city shall be 18,000 cubits. @noprem  In the KOH Jesus says he is Eating and Drinking which are metaphors for Partaking OF or sharing,, In the KOH Jesus comes here to Harvest Israel. might not know intercourse with a man after the Holy Spirit came into her and the power from on high overshadowed her. By analogy, if my doctor says that all the exercises on a certain list are profitable for my fitness and emotional well-being so that I can be perfectly healthy, then does that mean I no longer need to eat or sleep — or even listen to the doctor who gave me the list? A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman* clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.a 2She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Luke 1:39-45 Despite its relatively recent history and the elevation to a Feast Day and Holy Day of Obligation, the dogma of the Immaculate Conception is little understood today. (Mt 6:9,10), @noprem  When will it happen, do you think, and what is our part in it, if any? “Exodus 25:11-21 – the ark of the Old Covenant was made of the purest gold for God’s Word. @noprem  There are many today claiming to fill their shoes; you have your names and I have mine. The woman and her offspring (a prediction of the virgin birth) will gain ultimate victory over the Serpent by crushing his head, and will enjoy enmity with the Evil One. 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